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[randompasserby]

^Look, if you don't know how to accept the weaknesses and failings of people around you, that's your problem. And I do mean that it is a serious flaw in your character.

^^Wotakubrandon -- I understand -- I guess my feeling is that you stick by your friends, even when you know they've done something wrong.

And I understand how it could look/feel very different (and quite bad) to anyone who went through the divorce of their parents, particularly as a child or a teenager (which I know includes more than a few people here), so I'm not saying to shrug it off at all.

I guess I'm really saying that idols are as human and as fallible as the rest of us, and I think it's important to accept them as such.

I have no problem acknowledging that nobody's perfect and even sympathize in some cases.
Relieving them of any responsibilities, accepting them back and keeping the status quo before their screw-ups though...? That's a whole different game and personally, I'm very much against it Fuckin tired of watching my mom keep bailing certain family members out of jail and seeing them get away scot free after their colossal screw ups since my childhood

Again though, since I don't have any personal investment with Yaguchi's case, couldn't care less either way

[Starra]

People make bad choices. But for me, if they continue to make those choices after they've supposedly apologised, then I have an issue with them.

Although if it's something like murder or rape or whatever that's a totally different story. People who do that (or attempt to) should be locked up forever.

As for Mari, well, now I guess I finally have a legit reason not to like her .

[fujii hina]

Yeah, cheating, especially on a spouse is just the worst for me. It just shows that some people go into marriage as irresponsible juveniles regardless of their age.

No one needs to be perfect. Just rational and responsible.

I think there's something wrong when we blur what's right and wrong subjectively. That's why there are laws regarding marriage. People have agreed on what constitutes a marriage and are expected to follow the terms once they enter into its contract.

I'm not calling her an evil woman or a promiscuous woman. Simply, she is a married woman who slept with a man who isn't the one married to her. And a person who does that is an adulterer. Again, I'm not putting any moral values in this. He can file a lawsuit for divorce on grounds of her infidelity and even get compensation as it can be taken as a breech of trust.

All I really want to say is that our innate imperfection should never excuse us from consciously doing wrong. Our common guilt of wrongdoing shouldn't stop us from saying that there is something wrong where something is wrong.

[boinsie]

fujii said it all better than I could.

[Zunu]

I'm not saying this is what happened here, but what do you do if your marriage isn't working out? At all? And the other person refuses to divorce you?
Oh well, just be miserable forever?
I don't even like Yaguchi. But I've known enough divorced people to know that "marriage is so awesome let's be happy forever!" doesn't work out for most people.
I know a guy who literally hates his wife, but is staying together "for the kids." But when she calls him, you can hear the tightness, the tension, the contempt in his voice. His kids must hear that too.

[Starra]

I've heard lots of stories about people hating their parents for getting divorced or whatever. Idk, is it wrong of me to think that that's a bit selfish? I reckon in a lot of cases it would be much worse for everyone if the parents were still living together even if they hated each other.

My parents are divorced (actually, they only got divorced this year, but they've been separated for 10+ years at this point) and I don't resent it. My dad still keeps in contact with us. I mean, shit, I'm at his house right now and I even flew to another country to do so. He's also helped us out a lot. I think, really, divorce can be a good thing and it can ease a lot of stress.

Maybe it's just because I don't even remember my parents actually living together, but you know. Some marriages just don't last. It happens.

I don't even really know what I'm trying to say. Just sharing personal experience (well, somewhat personal) with this. No cheating was involved, though.

I'm not mad at Mari for not liking her husband or whatever. But I don't agree with cheating. Although I don't really know anything about marriage-related laws in Japan so I'm not sure if it's that easy for her to get a divorce in the first place. Still, cheating is not cool.

[TotallyUncool]

^I think you've got a really good attitude.

^^That's the thing -- it isn't just that the world is full of imperfect people. There are far too many extremely-far-from-perfect marriages, and a real shortage of good ways to deal with them. And people do things that aren't right. I just don't like the idea of lining up to throw rocks at people because they've sinned. Because in my book, that's also wrong.
And even sinners need to have loyal friends to see them through. I know that fans hardly qualify as friends of their idols there are times when I think "abusive stalker" would be a better term, but i think it would be kind of nice to take the same attitude towards your idols as you would a friend (even one who's screwed up and done some pretty bad things).
But I don't even want to be on a damn high horse right now. I just felt like I had to put in at least half a word for Mari, fallen woman though she may be.

Spoiler: show

And just in case anybody's wondering, no.
I had a pretty bad marriage, and I took a lot of shit without flinching, but I was willing to stay with my wife for the rest of our lives, if that was what she needed, and I didn't cheat on her. I'm extremely far from being a saint, as anyone who knows me will tell gladly you. But I knew what was right, and I knew what I had to do, and that's what I did. I stayed the damn course, because I wouldn't have been able to live with myself if I hadn't.
But I'm still not going to throw rocks at sinners, even if they are scarlet women.
Now I'll get off my high horse. I'm starting to get saddle-sores, anyway.

[otaku_blue]

Im just gonna quote hello online cos you guys didnt post the links

Japan Today reports that Yaguchi Mari has admitted to and apologized for cheating on her husband Nakamura Masaya (english)
http://www.japantoday.com/category/ente ... cit-affair

CG reenactment of the Yaguchi affair story from Tomo News
[youtube]sVyfb_46cb0[/youtube]

I have Daft Punk's Get Lucky in my head right now. But oh well, I'm surprised and I feel bad for the children they'll have in the future. I'd hate to know growing up that my mum slept with another guy when they were publicly dating. Aishk. I think admitting to the affair was a big mistake to her reputation presently and later on.

Btw, brb guys going to Japan so I can hook up with idols when they're horny.

[TotallyUncool]

That CGI!

Spoiler: show

I couldn't stop laughing. That was so horribly cruel and wrong, but just too funny!

[Starra]

On a lighter note...

Apparently this is one of Linlin's new songs? Not sure if it's gonna be on that album or what.
[youtube]uwhE8DdbJz0[/youtube]

Title is "戦豆" which is the Chinese word for "Nattou" (Zhandou).

I have a feeling Rm88 will like this .