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Re: AKB Scandals Thread

Postby Zunu » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:09 pm

ISTR something about her and Minegishi hanging out til 7am with a bunch of dudes.
It happened before this current scandal broke.

http://shukan.bunshun.jp/articles/-/2336

Midnight of January 12, (21) Yuki Kashiwagi popular member of AKB48 were participating in the secret blind date with the J-League. Bunshun have taken that pattern. Might be controversial Kashiwagi only known as the school's most innocent members. Looked like a woman and their friends (20) Minegishi Minami member of apology midst of turmoil, matchmaking party members, participation Killala and flowers (24) AV actress further tomorrow. Your partner, (2 Takahiro Obara of Cerezo Osaka which was chosen as representative of the London Olympics
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Re: AKB Scandals Thread

Postby DSQueenie » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:47 am

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Here's the pic.

Minegishi's agency said it was supposed to be a girls only meeting and Yuki's agency admitted that she met up with some friends and some were guys. Sound contradictory at first glance but I think what they are trying to say is the AV girl came late with some male friends. I feel bad for the girls now the press are really stalking them.
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Re: AKB Scandals Thread

Postby Daisuki Daiiyo » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:40 pm

Hmm. Interesting considering her comments in the most recent AKB documentary.

AKB48 Kashiwagi Yuki says “Love-Ban-Law is necessary as long as we’re idols”

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The newest documentary film which followed the popular idol group AKB48′s last year – “DOCUMENTARY OF AKB48 NO FLOWER WITHOUT RAIN - What girls will see after tears?” directed by renonwed PV and Movie director Takahashi Eiki hit screen on February 1st. The movie projected the “REAL” of idols of present-day, such as competition for Center position after Maeda Atsuko’s graduation, LOVE-BAN-LAW, as well as the gap between members.

In and interview with us, Kashiwagi Yuki, one of the most popular members of the group told,
“Although I thought it’s unimaginable to find anything that we could reveal more after I watched past documentaries, I think the latest one is the most intensive of all documentary films of AKB48.”

She revealed that she had a 1-hour interview for the documentary movie.
“The documentary contains interview footage of each member. Because even though we have a lot of things in our mind, there rarely is an occasion where we can actually talk about them. So, I think, everybody revealed more than a little honest feelings in the interviews.”

Whose interview she cares about the most is Watanabe Mayu, also known as Mayuyu, who is Kashiwagi’s same generation member and best friend.
“I was asked about my relationship with Mayuyu a lot. I would like to know what Mayuyu think about AKB48, because we don’t have much chance to talk about serious topics like this.”

She also told about her idea of how ideal “idol” should be like.About LOVE-BAN-LAW, one of the main themes of the movie, she said,
“Because I’ve joined AKB48 since I was 9th grader, I’ve never had any doubt about the concept. It’s just completely natural to me”


Then she added,

“If we get into a relationship, I wonder if fans sentiment to support members will fade.
Relationship, private life, and freedom. I gave up these kind of things because I devote myself to AKB48, because I have hope and dreams that I want to accomplish.


And I would like fans to pay attention to such things and support us just trying to make it.”
She declared, “In order to unify everyone’s mind, LOVE-BAN-LAW is necessary.”
“After giving it a lot of thoughts, goings through a lot of different thoughts, I’ve now reached the idea that idols are those who always put their fans first, thinking what they can do in order to please fans.”


Note: This interview was conducted before Shukan Bunshun’s report on Minegishi Minami hits the media.


Like you said though, perhaps it is just that she wasn't expecting the other girl there to bring her male guests. They did still hang out until 7am though. And here are some fan reactions from AKB-wrap up regarding Kashiwagi's incident:

Fans reactions:
“I think she just joined the party for the sake of socializing. But because of Kashiwagi’s public image as an idol, this will bring a major blow to her reputation….”

“I just finished reading the article. It’s nothing more than a dinner party of famous people www”

“So the longer version of the article says Minegishi left the party at 3 am. And I wished Yukirin went back home with Minegishi….. As being left alone with a porno actress and men may cause a nasty rumor…..”

“They just ban relationship, not enjoying a dinner party. I think that’s why Oshima didn’t get any penalty last time….”

Not sure where they pulled those comments from though. Original article here. In Japanese here.
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Re: AKB Scandals Thread

Postby Kita St Cyr » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:35 pm

randompasserby wrote:At this point it really doesn't matter whose decision it was to shave her hair in the first place, they put her in front of a camera then gleefully showed it all to the public. Has there ever been any public apology videos from previous scandals?


I dunno about AKB, but if I remember correctly Mari Yaguchi apologized and resigned on TV when her scandal broke back in 2005.
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Re: AKB Scandals Thread

Postby erilaz » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:58 pm

Zunu wrote:
Zunu wrote:Holy shit. The story's spreading beyond wota-land.

http://rawstory.com/

(As of right now it's the #2 video headline)

PERMALINK


And THE GUARDIAN as well!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/fe ... -boyfriend

(As of right now it's the #1 most viewed international story.)

The way this has spiraled out of control, the idol industry may find itself compelled to reflect on its practices.


The story's getting picked up by the mainstream American media, too:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2 ... or-dating/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-575 ... boyfriend/
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/50706078/ns/w ... RNrZhxxHYc
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Re: AKB Scandals Thread

Postby AyuHikaru » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:05 pm

This is blowing up on Tumblr right now. The social justice warriors have decided to take up the cause and are now calling all idol fans "Mentally Ill" and "perverts" for like AKB and other idol groups. It's not good being an idol fan on Tumblr right now, because you constantly have to explain you really HATE management decisions in general, but you are there for the music and because the girls are awesome. You support the girls, you do not support the way they are managed sometimes. Their getting a lot of detials wrong too, which is somewhat annoying, but expecting if they are just learning about the idol industry.

Some girl on Tumblr translated some of what 2ch was saying and one guy said (Quite rightfully): "This is becoming international news, to have this happen [To Minami] is the shame of Japan."

Strangely though, this way turn out as a positive thing. With Miichan shaving her head and gaining international attention, a LOT of criticism is being put on the way the idol business is ran and they're having to do a lot of backtracking. I think with this out in the open and the West learning about it, things may have to change.

Edit: CNN all up in AKB's grill:

[youtube]WnvV7GuhGP0[/youtube]

On The Young Turks:
[youtube]oP_g3LYUQOw[/youtube]

Seriously, it's everywhere right now.
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Re: AKB Scandals Thread

Postby Daisuki Daiiyo » Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:35 pm

If this sparks change, great. Sad that it had to come from "we're looking shameful in front of the world" instead of purely from a genuine concern for the idols.

More news though. Minegishi has made her first appearance as a trainee, she was sporting a wig.

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Whether you view it as a publicity stunt or a failed attempt at a cover-up, the scandal involving AKB48 member Minami Minegishi definitely got people talking and debating about Japanese celebrity culture again. And this time, her first appearance as a ‘trainee’ might spark another round of debate.

Minegishi was photographed doing a “walk of shame” after leaving the house of Alan Shirahama, a member of boy band Generations, last week. Her subsequent shaved head video apology and demotion to the lowest rank of “trainee” attracted international attention. People outside Japan mostly couldn’t fathom the world of Japanese idols where dating and having sex is strictly not allowed, even in this day and age. Now, the backlash from the incident and the apology is being felt by the group, so much that they changed the settings of the video apology to private, never mind that more than six million people have already seen it. Her appearance on stage as a trainee with a full head of hair (a wig, of course) has drawn the ire of netizens. Some feel like she’s not really sorry it happened and some are annoyed that they’re now acting as if the incident never really happened. (are netizens ever really satisfied tho?)

But in Japanese celebrity culture, this is not really a surprise. Everyone tries to forget quickly and move on as if nothing really happened. Disgraced celebrities either totally disappear from the entertainment world and becomes taboo almost immediately. Old clips featuring said celebrity will not be used anymore, or if they have to be used, they will either be edited or blurred out, as if they’re some crime victim. But even weirdly so, celebrities who leave the entertainment industry (even without a scandal) also get the edited/blurred out treatment, sometimes at their request. This Japanese attitude is evident not just in showbusiness but in society as well, which sometimes angers Japan’s neighbours (and former colonies) but also allows the country and its people to pick themselves up after a tragedy and just move on, without looking at the past.


And apparently the debate still continues among AKB fans about treatment of the girls. I found this article interesting, as it is always nice to hear about the POV of Japanese fans/netizens. Sexism is brought up, and I will admit, I was not expecting it to enter into the debate.

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A member of hugely popular Japanese all-girl group AKB48 shaved her head and issued a tearful videotaped apology on YouTube last week for violating the megagroup’s no-dating rule, sparking a national debate over whether the group’s management exerts too much control over its performers. Pictures of Minami Minegishi in closely-cropped hair have been splashed across Japanese newspapers and triggered heated discussion on Twitter and television talk shows since last Friday. The 20-year-old made the video, posted on the group AKB48’s website, after she was caught by a gossip magazine leaving a boy’s apartment.

AKB48, made up of more than 90 girls and young women divided into several teams, forbids its members from dating to project a clean image and signal their devotion to the group and their mostly male fans. Minegishi belonged to one of the top teams, but her manager announced her demotion to the bottom-ranked “research student” status. In her nearly four-minute video released on the group’s Internet site, a tearful Minegishi, shorn of her silky black hair, sobbed hard and pleaded with her fans to let her stay with the band. She said she shaved her head as an act of contrition to her “thoughtless and irresponsible behavior.”

“I don’t think this is enough to get your forgiveness for what I did, but the first thing that came to my mind was I don’t want to quit AKB48,” Minegishi said. “This is maybe wishful thinking, but if it’s all possible, I wish to stay as part of AKB. It’s entirely my fault. I am truly sorry.” She lowered her head for a long eight seconds in the video, which has since been removed from the AKB site.

The group denied forcing her to cut her hair. “If you ask me whether it was necessary for her to shave her head, I would say it wasn’t,” said AKB manager Tomonobu Togasaki in a statement. “But Minegishi said she felt strongly about it.”

Others questioned whether any member of the group would have been allowed to take such a drastic step of her own accord. “Was it a witch hunt or a marketing strategy?” asked Hideomi Tanaka, an economist and AKB fan. “If the latter, I’ve had enough of such calculated actions. What we want to see is idols, not bullying.”

Minegishi’s apparent misery prompted comments likening her head shaving to corporal punishment, which has rocked Japan since a high school basketball player committed suicide recently after being beaten up by his coach.

AKB performs almost every day at its own theater in Tokyo and has spawned affiliates across the country and in Indonesia, China and Taiwan. The singing and dancing aren’t always perfect, and the group’s ever-changing members are hard to keep track of. But fans view them as friends or sisters, not out-of-reach superstars who date other celebrities. Minegishi damaged that myth when Weekly Bunshun magazine reported on Jan 31 that she had spent the night with a 19-year-old member of a boy band last month, and published photos showing her leaving his apartment wearing a baseball cap and surgical mask.

Traditionally, head shaving is a serious way of showing contrition, though rare among women. Minegishi is reportedly the first girl idol to do so in Japanese entertainment, where dating and love scandals are taboo.

Experts say the penalty was distasteful and raises human rights questions. “This is too much ... Even a criminal defendant wouldn’t have to shave her head,” said Hisamichi Okamura, a lawyer and expert in information and networking. Kazuko Ito, another lawyer and a rights group leader, said the case underscored the exploitation of girl idols in the male-dominated society.

Minegishi is the latest AKB member caught in a scandal. Last year, Rino Sashihara, 20, was forcibly transferred to a less-prestigious AKB affiliate in southern Japan over a love scandal. Recently, another girl had to cancel a planned photo album that contained a photo showing a little boy covering her bare breasts from behind, raising questions of child pornography.

A sociologist and media critic Hiroki Azuma said it’s all part of AKB business. “Whether positive or negative, the more news is better for AKB. That’s the cult of AKB system and how they make money,” he tweeted.


And finally, cue the crazy with an angry video directed at Kashiwagi Yuki from a fan. This guy is probably that former Ayaya fan who smashed his cds and cut up his pictures and posted them up for the world to see, when those pics of Ayaya bringing TP to Keita's apartment surfaced.

[youtube]GTDmWueugbQ[/youtube]

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The video starts off fairly sedately with the young man pointing his camera lens at his computer screen which displays images of recent tabloid press articles exposing Kashiwagi’s involvement in the midnight dating party. After a little soul-searching, however, he explodes with anger.

Whether or not we’re witnessing a real fan expressing genuine sentiment in this video is unclear, but AKB48′s fans are renowned for their passion and being outspoken whenever they feel betrayed by “their” band members. Addressing Kashiwagi as “Yuki-rin” (“rin” is suffix often added to girls’ forenames in order to express closeness and affection, not unlike “chan”), the male fan begins his video by asking calmly, “Is this really you?”

Turning the camera on himself, the forlorn fan addresses Kashiwagi again: ”Is it you? Why do you [AKB48 members] betray us fans like this?”

Looking straight down the lens, he reminds the band member that AKB members are forbidden from dating, before berating her for her uragiri ack-stabbing conduct in attending the dating party. “Why did you do this? You say ‘I’m different; I don’t do that kind of thing. Follow me around all day- you’ll never see me doing anything bad like that!’ That’s what you said. It doesn’t make sense…”

Seemingly unable to contain his anger, the young man screams at the camera “okashi yo!” (“this isn’t right” or, more literally,”it’s strange”).

A genuinely heartbroken fan or an imaginative attempt at satire?


Perhaps (hopefully) it is just satire.
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Re: AKB Scandals Thread

Postby Zunu » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:08 am

AyuHikaru wrote:On The Young Turks:
[youtube]oP_g3LYUQOw[/youtube]


YT's captions are awesome:

Minegishi's apology:

Susan Davis is the spirit.
The skin in America
They give you a little bit there.


Then later around 1:18 the anchor calls the girls "Virginal pure inmates." ROFL forever.
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Re: AKB Scandals Thread

Postby DSQueenie » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:38 am

So Long débuted on Oricon with 817,530.

I think we all knew the 1million first day sale wouldn't last forever but I really loved the c/w's on this song.
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Re: AKB Scandals Thread

Postby Zunu » Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:47 am

^ Not sure if that's scandal-related, exactly, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were. You've got

1. People who don't like the strict tratment of the girls
2. People who didn't like the treatment of Minegishi
3. People who don't like Minegishi anymore because of what she did.
4. People who don't like Minegishi anymore because of her response to being discovered.
5. People who view this incident as their own wake-up call to move on with their lives.
6. Older people aging out of their fandom, but due to the controversy they're not being replaced equally with new fans.
7. Could be that AKB has surpassed the aggregate number of scandals a group can withstand before it starts to get weighed down by negative baggage. Happened with Momusu and many other artists in the past, going back to the time of Jerry Lee Lewis and doubtless before then.
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