[07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby jinqin321 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:11 am

@AyuHikaru

Sadly I can't see it happening. After listening to S/mileage's new single(which is really really great), I have to say C-ute got the weakest song among all H!P group this time, and it's not even close(musical wise). Other than MM, H!p never give other groups consistant effort/push in the long run. The focus is always switched from one group to another.

I do hope Tusnku will give C-ute a better song next time though.
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby AyuHikaru » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:18 am

Oh, yeah, I didn't mean with this single, but sometime in the near future.
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby CaptainBerryzGiraffe » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:19 am

I beg to differ; Momusu hasn't been getting really hard-hitting songs since Wagamama- lately they are just those side ones you listen to occasionally, I find.
every group has songs you will like and songs you will hate.
I happen to think that The Power was great and had one of their best PV's in a while.
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby Celedam » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:48 am

AyuHikaru wrote:C-ute's pretty high on the list generally, though right? It would be like AKB48, That 46 one, the rest of the 48's, BABYMETAL, Morning Musume, Perfume, Momoiro Clover, Then C-ute? The relevance-y list probably cuts off right after Momoiro Clover, but man C-ute is right at the cusp. Correct my list, I'm not even 80% on it, but I think C-ute is pretty high..

Okay, that's the second time BABYMETAL has been on someone's list, the first being Zunu's list a few days ago. I know that's due to the recent buzz, and it's partly my fault for bringing the buzz here, but it should be mentioned that their actual sales aren't that impressive. In fact, I think they're at about the same level as S/mileage. (More concert tickets and album sales, but less singles sales and merchandise. Which arguably confirms that they're artists rather than idols.)

The buzz has come from their novelty, their crossover success outside of the usual idol fandom, and their international popularity after "going viral". It has not come from any great commercial success, as far as I can tell. That could change if their popularity continues to grow, but they could also be a fad that dies after the current release cycle and world tour. In the meantime, all of H!P's groups — even the least successful — continue to print money, year after year after year.

Anyhow, the point is that BABYMETAL shouldn't be anywhere near that high on anyone's list. Not yet.
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby otaku_blue » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:36 am

Kanashiki Heaven was amazing. They probably played live and used the backing track instead. I'm glad we got the original instrumental instead tbh.

The power is probably among one of my least favourite C-ute A-sides, and I dont blaim them for the performance being kinda meh since they only came back to Japan after the Anime Expo.

Yeah I agree they have the potential to surpass Perfume. They just need more attention, and more entertaining TV personalities.
Other groups have like Perfume have gimmicks that help them get attention, but since C-ute is just talent its harder to get people to notice since people disagree on perceptions of talent.
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby AyuHikaru » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:40 am

Like I said, I wasn't sure on the list, the perception is that BABYMETAL is getting huge though.

C-ute could probably stand to have some TV training, Talented or no, they are a bit boring in that respect. I think UFA should push to get them more TV shows and really work on their personas. It will only help, they're already selling well without it, with it they can only do better.
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby otaku_blue » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:45 am

^

they're doing that already with Chisato.

I remember reading an article alleging that "Chisato would be C-ute's big break into mainstream fame"?
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby koregaboku » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:22 am

Chisato commented that since they don't get on TV much they kind of freeze on air when they do.


That being said, Tsoonk has commented that Chisato's wheels turn very quickly. He commented that she may have a limited vocabulary but that she's quick on her feet, which I totally agree about. When Chisato's featured on a TV program she pulls her weight, which most of the other C-ute members don't.
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby CaptainBerryzGiraffe » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:32 am

And when Chisato isn't on TV and is at home, she's an alcoholic-in-training. :P

But the TV thing is the problem which C-ute has which Berryz/Momusu don't have... They aren't as fun in TV appearances. They better work on that, C-ute!
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby koregaboku » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:57 am

In both Berryz and Momusu it is kind of an issue that they have. Without Momochi or Sayu, both groups would struggle a lot more than they do now.

Berryz (well Miya mostly) uses Momochi as the butt of jokes and Sayu masterfully lobs easy questions towards her juniors so that they can speak. But its not very often that I see Maasa or Chinami ever really speak up. Even Riho clams up a bit, but luckily for her MoMusu gets the most media exposure therefore the most training.

I think S/mileage has it worst though. Chisato at least occasionally gets on TV. But ever since Kanyon ditched Cinderella when have we really seen S/mileage on a variety show?
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby CaptainBerryzGiraffe » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:29 pm

Smileage or J=J?
I think that J=J has the worst group chemistry of all the groups. XD They just... are very not fun around each other. On TV probably worse. :P

and Otaku_blue, I'm too used to your Erippon profile picture.... this one is so different. lol
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby BerryzCelebration » Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:41 pm

BerryzGiraffe3705 wrote:Smileage or J=J?
I think that J=J has the worst group chemistry of all the groups. XD They just... are very not fun around each other. On TV probably worse. :P

and Otaku_blue, I'm too used to your Erippon profile picture.... this one is so different. lol

Well, they're still relatively new. They're going to take a while to get used to each other.
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby Panic Nancy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:43 pm

AyuHikaru wrote:They just completely surpass all idol groups in talent (Even Momusu, but Momusu really have a different kind of charm).

Juice has more vocal talent overall, imo. But they definitely don't have the polish/consistency that comes with experience. And, of course, they absolutely can't touch them in the dancing and performing departments.
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby Amped » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:01 pm

C-ute's single is ranked #5 weekly on Billboard Japan's Hot Singles sales charts
http://www.billboard-japan.com/d_news/detail/21349
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby Amped » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:17 pm

1st week
weekly ranking #3
total 55,570

1.SMAP - 122,850
2.Perfume - 73,425
3.C-ute - 55,570
4.Boudan Shounendan - 42,494
5.SCANDAL - 32,013

http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/js/w/2014-07-28/


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#14 to start 2nd week
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby otaku_blue » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:32 pm

im alright with the drop, i was honestly expecting a bigger drop so it could've been worse.

but C-ute has had such plain singles for a while now...I hope the next single is more interesting. I might grab a copy soon though just because the trading cards look really good in the Kanashiki Heaven outfits.
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby Celedam » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:52 pm

Promotion in Sapporo…

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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby stam4o » Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:55 pm

Hmmm, I was honestly expecting it to do better...
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Re: [07/16] °C-ute - 25th single - The Power / Kanashiki Heaven (Single Version)

Postby CaptainBerryzGiraffe » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:23 pm

I still stand by my stance that Berryz is currently the only group that is raising its sales. :P
We will find out in 2 weeks whether J=J is, and then smileage.
But so far, still only Berryz. c:

...Honestly, I was expecting 60k. o.o
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