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Where did they poop?

Postby Zunu » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:15 pm

GoT:
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The GoT universe actually provides a mechanism by which messaging could take place in near real time. A warg stationed at, say Eastwatch, could inhabit a bird to keep a watch over the group and then report back on what they see. Or if there were a warg in the group, they could warg into a bird back at the Eastwatch or Dragonstone and the bird could peck out a simple ouija board message. With magic on the rise you would think there that every side would be scouring their forces for naturally gifted warging individuals which would be a huge strategic advantage. Or at the very least, Jon Snow's side would, his having taken in the Free Folk and having seen warging in action. Beside that, it was stupid that he didn't take a larger force. This was a Hail Mary pass of a mission. The whole point of which was that capturing a wight was necessary to convince Cersei. It had to succeed, we were led to think. On top of which, Jon's death during the mission could jeopardize everything -- the Northern coalition, plus any chance that Dani would be motivated to help his people. So why not bring enough people to ensure its success? Then, at least, it would make some sense their encampment could hold off the army of the dead for a few days. Anyway, it seems clear that the Night King held his forces back on purpose. He must have the greensight or some comparable gift of prophecy and was able to foretell that Dani would bring her dragons. So he needed Jon's people to stay alive long enough for Dani to attempt a rescue, and then he was ready to strike Viserion down.
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Re: Where did they poop?

Postby Celedam » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:29 pm

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Zunu wrote:Anyway, it seems clear that the Night King held his forces back on purpose. He must have the greensight or some comparable gift of prophecy and was able to foretell that Dani would bring her dragons. So he needed Jon's people to stay alive long enough for Dani to attempt a rescue, and then he was ready to strike Viserion down.

Yes, the fact that he had javelins prepared made that pretty clear. As far as we know, all other large, dangerous creatures beyond the Wall are flightless and therefore can be defeated by overwhelming them with wights, so the White Walkers would not normally need to carry javelins.

That still doesn't make a six-day stand-off any more plausible, however. Even if the Night King wanted to wait, even if he knew Daenerys was approaching and he started the battle right at that moment in order to force her and her dragons to engage without precaution, the simple logistics of keeping Jon's company alive on that islet for that long… *grumble* As a former Boy Scout with only limited training and experience, I know how difficult that would be. A real survivalist would probably say "No way, not without proper shelter, they should all be crippled by frostbite or dead from exposure, not just Thoros." So either they hand-waved that, or they hand-waved the travel times, or both. And I think that's sloppy writing/editing.
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby esm » Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:09 am

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Zunu wrote:Beside that, it was stupid that he didn't take a larger force. This was a Hail Mary pass of a mission. The whole point of which was that capturing a wight was necessary to convince Cersei. It had to succeed, we were led to think. On top of which, Jon's death during the mission could jeopardize everything -- the Northern coalition, plus any chance that Dani would be motivated to help his people. So why not bring enough people to ensure its success?

Maybe they thought they could find a stray one and just take that back? Or at least a small group that they can manage rather than the entire army.

I agree that it's quite stupid though, but there were so many points in the series where Jon could have died, such as when he just walked out beyond the wall alone to negotiate with Mance Rayder or more recently when he went to Dragonstone and repeatedly refused to bend the knee.
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby Celedam » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:28 am

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The director of the episode has confirmed in an interview with Variety that they "hedge[d] it a little bit" for dramatic effect…

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-7-episode-6-beyond-the-wall-timeline-director-1202534403/

(h/t Watchers on the Wall)

EDIT: After rewatching the episode, to check what the director says in that interview, a small correction to my earlier complaint: they do show Jon's company waking up from one sleep, the one during which Thoros died. But that's it. One sleep.
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby Zunu » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:49 am

GoT: Not a spoiler so...

The explanation just makes it worse. We knew we were fudging but we figured what the hell it didn't really matter. This isn't a show that has to meet a weekly deadline. They had plenty of time to work out the details to make them work in the world they designed. I've always been impressed reading about Pixar's creative process:

Ed Catmull wrote:Candor could not be more crucial to our creative process. Why? Because early on, all of our movies suck. That’s a blunt assessment, I know, but I choose that phrasing because saying it in a softer way fails to convey how bad the first versions really are. I’m not trying to be modest or self-effacing. Pixar films are not good at first, and our job is to make them so–to go, as I say, “from suck to not-suck.”

Think about how easy it would be for a movie about talking toys to feel derivative, sappy, or overtly merchandise driven. Think about how off-putting a movie about rats preparing food could be, or how risky it must’ve seemed to start WALL-E with 39 dialogue-free minutes. We dare to attempt these stories, but we don’t get them right on the first pass. This is as it should be. Creativity has to start somewhere, and we are true believers in the power of bracing, candid feedback and the iterative process–reworking, reworking, and reworking again, until a flawed story finds its through line or a hollow character finds its soul.


They don't just stop at good enough. They keep polishing it until it works the way it should. (At least, they did back in 2010. These days they might need to follow their own advice a little more.)
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby Celedam » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:58 am

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"I'm not looking for super friends."


It's here.

Unfortunately, the reviews are... mixed.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/78380

I finished it today. I can see why the reviews were mixed.

Here are the two biggest problems, in my opinion…

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First, they tried to bring together not only the four main characters but also most of their supporting characters and several villains and then give all of them character moments, in only eight episodes. It doesn't work. Most of those moments end up being "Supporting Character B bumps into Supporting Character F in the hallway and says 'Wow, this is a crazy situation, isn't it?'", or some variation thereof. The Avengers movies (including Avengers 2.5, a.k.a. Civil War) worked fairly well because no matter what else happened, the rivalry between Steve Rogers and Tony Stark provided the core dynamic and everyone else orbited that. Nothing like that happened here.

Second, at this point in the overall story of the Marvel-on-Netflix series, there's no mystery left regarding the villains, the Hand. We see who the Hand's leaders are and we learn about their history and goals, and the whole thing turns out to be rather… pedestrian? vulgar? mundane? The Hand are much less intimidating without that mystery, yet they try to keep it up by constantly saying Very Portentous Things™, even when it makes no sense to do so. Even in the middle of the climactic battle when everyone knows everything and there are literally no more surprises to be had. That sort of melodrama doesn't work in a gritty, nuanced story about street-level heroes.


On the bright side…

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There was some good setup for future interactions between the four main characters. In particular…

Zunu wrote:I haven't seen Iron Fist but at least judging from that trailer I think instead of a grand unified story I'd have preferred they just had gone with Matt+Jessica and Luke+IronFistGuy as two separate stories.

Then you would enjoy Episode 6. That's exactly what they did, at least for that episode, and it worked well. Matt and Jessica made a good investigative tag team, and I could see them getting a lot of mileage out the whole "working inside/outside the law" thing. Meanwhile, super-cool Luke made an excellent "big brother" for the orphaned, hot-headed Danny.
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby Zunu » Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:52 pm

^ I wound up watching Iron Fist. Danny comes off as a Chris Pratt who hasn't quite achieved his final form yet. It was fun, though. I saw The Defenders as well. It had its flaws for sure but I liked the four leads and enjoyed it overall.
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby Celedam » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:39 pm

Game of Thrones S07E07 (27 Aug 2017)

Three blasts.

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Anyhow, a look back…



…and that's it. See y'all in 2019!

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Any bets on whether Tormund and Beric survived? I genuinely can't tell.

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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby esm » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:24 pm

Let me just take a minute to bitch about the haters who only hate on the show because they haven't seen it or have seen only a couple of episodes and never continued and somehow think they're too good to watch something everyone is watching.

Like, I don't know any haters who has actually watched it properly. :hmmm:

That is all.

On the season finale:
Spoiler: show
I loved the meeting scene. Awkward reunions and all. Euron just jumping in right away, etc.

Also Tyrion pouring a drink after he wasn't killed. Jaime knowing Cersei wouldn't kill him. All the subtle things that go on just when characters look at each other.
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby Zunu » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:57 pm

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This was definitely a shakier season than we've previously seen as the writers ran out of plot and dialog to crib off of. It could be argued that GRR Martin is occasionally long-winded but what he doesn't do is have his characters make out of character small talk simply for the purpose of exposition. Even so, notwithstanding a bit of a clunky start, this episode really moved things along in thrilling fashion. The one thing that stood out to me as a false note was "Honest" Jon Snow unwilling to pledge neutrality re Cersei. How about first consulting the queen you just swore fealty to as to what she actually wanted you to do? Or even better, just keeping your mouth shut and let her respond as to what your role would be? Not that it mattered in the end, Cersei's word was useless and she was planning treachery regardless. As for the rest, I (for the most part) scrupulously avoided spoilers all season long, even the "next week on" segments, so I have no idea how much was leaked, but as for me, I was thoroughly surprised and delighted by all of the various plot twists. Even the in-hindsight-quite-predictable CGI heavy moment near the end. Much more viscerally enjoyable than the book-based theory floating around that Bran's journey weakened a magical seal. Visuals win over clunky exposition wins almost every time. Speaking of Bran, when I saw him sitting in that room next to Sansa I was like wait, what? What sense does that make? He's gonna go along with passing judgment on his own...(surprise!)...OOOH. That was fun how something totally didn't make sense until suddenly it totally made sense. Regarding Jaime, someone on reddit mentioned that after a long detour, Book Jaime has finally once-again entered the Game. Yeah, how about that.
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby Celedam » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:56 am

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esm wrote:Like, I don't know any haters who has actually watched it properly. :hmmm:

There are some, but they hate the show because they're devoted book-readers who refuse to accept the realities of adapting a book — even a book as long and complex as this series — for a mainstream television audience. They nitpick everything. They're like the most obnoxious fanboys you've ever met.

And I say this as someone who read the books through A Feast for Crows, years before the show was even announced. My friends and I played the strategic board game as well. We were there before everyone else, but we can still appreciate the show for what it is. Aforementioned hand-waving not withstanding.

(I have A Dance with Dragons on my shelf, but I've never gotten around to reading it because the show has supplanted the books in my mind. I might go back and re-read the entire series when GRRM completes it. In 2043.)

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esm wrote:I loved the meeting scene. Awkward reunions and all. Euron just jumping in right away, etc. […] All the subtle things that go on just when characters look at each other.

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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby Celedam » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:23 am

I just had a wild thought about the possible ending of Game of Thrones

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The good guys (whoever they happen to be by the end) lure the Army of the Dead into King's Landing, with the "one million people" that were conspicuously mentioned twice during this season's finale serving as bait, and then they set off the remaining caches of wildfire in order to incinerate them all in a single blast. The Mad King's last command would finally be executed. Daenerys' prophetic vision in the House of the Undying would be fulfilled. King's Landing would be destroyed and no longer the nation's capital. The Iron Throne would be a pile of slag, rendering the eponymous game moot. And we would get the ironic, bittersweet ending that GRRM has promised.
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby Zunu » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:17 am

You just out-Grrm'd GRRM.
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby Nayoko-Kihara » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:43 pm

I spent a little time today catching up on new "The Amazing World of Gumball" episodes; Teri Pamyu Pamyu was a pleasant surprise. :lol:

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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby Celedam » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:13 am

I don't think I'll ever get used to how Game of Thrones has become such a huge part of popular culture everywhere. It's just weird to hear GoT references in the middle of, say, a TV interview of a political figure on the other side of the world. And references made not by young adults who are obviously immersed in pop culture to begin with, but by older, otherwise straight-laced politicians and journalists who read nothing but biographies about other politicians and journalists. Not even The Lord of the Rings has this much recognition, and it's much more important in recent cultural history.

The weirdest part was that when the interviewer made the reference, the interviewee immediately got it without any explanation or delay and then responded in kind. It's like GoT is in the air we breathe now and we all take it for granted.

For crying out loud, people, I know it's the characters and drama that everyone loves, but it's still a show about dragons and ice zombies!
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby CaptainBerryzGiraffe » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:18 am

i would have to venture to say it's very different than, say, something like lord of the rings in that the show itself has been running for what, 8-ish years now? And the books were released [i]way[i/] before that. So not only did it have a huge fanbase, but then it also continued that with an almost decade-long tv-series, so with something of that magnitude, it's bound to become basically part of pop culture. Whereas lord of the rings was just three books, followed by three movies many years later, it really wasn't a span of time as absolutely monstrous as A Song of Ice and Fire has been.

Which, I think is excellent :D
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby Celedam » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:29 am

CaptainBerryzGiraffe wrote:Whereas lord of the rings was just three books […]

Care to comment, erilaz?
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby Nayoko-Kihara » Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:51 pm

Against my better judgement, or maybe just because I was bored, I decided to watch the first episode of the new Star Trek series.

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Unfortunately the show airing before it ran long and football was coming on after (and football always wins, as many of my pre-set recordings have taught me), so it only recorded about 30 minutes of the show. That was enough though, I can't take the Klingon design seriously. They look like shiny fish people. I get that there's a reason for the altered design, but having a reason doesn't excuse the resulting product being ugly and awkward to look at when lines are spoken.
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby erilaz » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:55 pm

^ The fact that they showed the premiere on regular CBS reminded me of the drug dealer's line, "The first one's free."

Celedam wrote:
CaptainBerryzGiraffe wrote:Whereas lord of the rings was just three books […]

Care to comment, erilaz?

Oooooh, where to begin? XD

Technically, The Lord of the Rings is not three books, but rather one story (in six "books" plus six appendices) that was originally published in three volumes, and is still usually similarly packaged. But if you're interested, you can add the published draft materials ("The History of The Lord of the Rings") that make up 3½ of the 10 volumes of "The History of Middle-earth". Of course, Tolkien's legendarium of that world also extends far beyond that, into The Hobbit, The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, etc. etc., with posthumously published works still appearing. And don't even get me started on what Tolkien wrote about the languages spoken in that world....

The Hobbit was published in 1937, The Lord of the Rings in 1954-55. Since then, and especially since the mid-1960s, there has been a very active fandom and voluminous scholarship devoted to these works. Last month I visited a friend who owns what is almost certainly the largest collection of Tolkien-related fanzines in the world, which occupies at least six meters of shelf space, not counting what's already been donated to Marquette University. And that's just fanzines. (You can get some idea of what's in his collection here and here.)

Then there's the enormous influence that The Lord of the Rings has had on the way books are marketed. "Fantasy" as a publishing genre didn't exist before Tolkien, and the proliferation of fantasy "trilogies" (which The Lord of the Rings is not) certainly owes its existence to Tolkien, as well. Tom Shippey writes in J.R.R. Tolkien: Author of the Century (p. 326), "I do not think any modern writer of epic fantasy has managed to escape the mark of Tolkien, no matter how hard many of them have tried."

So it's not just "three books" and "three movies".
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Re: 7th Station ~TV, movies, games~

Postby Celedam » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:51 am

From January 2014…

Celedam wrote:Between Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime Video, and other sources, there are too damn many choices. I truly don't know what to watch next. I'm the kind of guy who would be happy to watch nothing but Community and Good Eats reruns forever, but I know that's not healthy.

I just finished Yes, Minister / Yes, Prime Minister. Here's what I'm considering next…

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Comedy:
- As Time Goes By (I've seen several episodes over the years, but not all and not in order)
- The Thick of It
- Spy
- Wilfred

Drama:
- Breaking Bad (unlikely, because I really don't like crime/gang stories, but it's almost unavoidable)
- House of Cards (UK, not US)
- The Tudors (seems a bit too 90210, but maybe…)
- Luther
- Dexter

Sci-fi/fantasy:
- Dollhouse
- Falling Skies
- Fringe
- Continuum
- Outcasts
- Misfits
- Black Mirror
- American Horror Story (unlikely, because it's similar to Locke & Key, which I just read)
- Twin Peaks (I was a bit too young for it when it originally aired)
- Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (it's been twenty years, it might be worth a repeat)

Anime:
- Attack on Titan
- Welcome to the NHK
- Mushi-shi
- Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (would be the third time for me, but it's deep enough to warrant several repeats)
- The Irresponsible Captain Tylor (an old favorite of a friend, I keep promising to watch it)

Non-fiction:
- Survivorman
- Stephen Fry in America
- An Idiot Abroad
- NOVA (152 full episodes via the PBS website, that could keep me going for months)

For what it's worth, I've pretty much given up on Almost Human and Sleepy Hollow.


Anyhow, I welcome your votes and suggestions.

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Wilfred is expiring soon off of Hulu (and already expired off of Netflix a couple months ago), so I'm binging it now. It's scary brilliant.

Elijah Wood stars as Ryan, a severely depressed, possibly mentally ill young man who attempts suicide in the very first scene of the series. The attempt fails, or at least it seems to. The next morning, as he tries to figure out why the attempt failed, he meets his attractive female neighbor and her dog Wilfred. The thing is, instead of an actual dog he sees a gregarious, somewhat vulgar Australian man in a dog costume. He thinks he's hallucinating, as an after-effect of the failed suicide attempt, but the hallucination never ends.



The rest of the series progresses from there. Ryan, who is out of work (despite being a skilled lawyer — that's a whole subplot in itself), spends most of his days dogsitting Wilfred for his neighbor, and together they explore the depths of his depression. It's nominally a comedy, because Wilfred is a comic character, but it gets so deep that it often feels like therapy. Depression, suicide, drug abuse, mental illness, isolation, unemployment, dysfunctional families, childhood trauma, ethical dilemmas, failed relationships… It's not for the faint of heart, and it's actually helping me with some issues of my own.

And through it all, the question remains: what is Wilfred?

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I didn't really understand what the series was doing until the middle of the second season. The first season was just plain surreal, and then there was a sudden shift in tone for the first half of the second season. It seemed like the writing had changed, so that it had become a more conventional sitcom with an obvious setup and a feel-good resolution within each episode. I almost gave up on it, but it all turned out to be an epic head-fake.

After certain events in the middle of the second season, it becomes clear that he tone of the series itself fluctuates according to Ryan's state of mind. The first half of the second season felt more conventional because Ryan felt his life was getting back to normal. And then going further back, the first season was so surreal because Ryan was stoned out of his mind for most of it. Very meta.

Knowing this now, I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.
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